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Have you heard of disruptive education?

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I hadn't until just recently.

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Today, nick Barr and his wife Jessica will be joining us to discuss Acton Academy Topsail.

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That's A-C-T-O-N.

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Acton Academy Topsail a brand new school, completely different from the public, private and charter schools we're all used to.

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I'm going to do something a little different today and recommend you pause this episode and click the top link in my show notes.

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It will take you to a 15-minute Acton Academy documentary on YouTube.

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Check it out, then resume listening here.

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It will provide a solid foundation for today's discussion.

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Today, nick and Jessica will share insights about Acton's learner-driven community, the hero's journey, socratic guides instead of traditional teachers, and how kids collaborate on real-world projects with self-management and self-governance.

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This new school opens this fall.

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Hello everyone and welcome to Topsail Insider.

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My name is Krista and I am your host.

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Today we are talking to Nick and Jessica Barr that's B-A-H-R Barr.

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They are the co-founders of an affiliate, acton Academy Acton Academy Topsal.

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Welcome, nick and Jessica.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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Thank you yeah thanks for having us.

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I did talk to some mothers before bringing you guys in here and there was some excitement about having another option here for us in Hampstead.

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And we do have one charter school, but only one, and one of the moms was saying where she came from, which was Charlotte she goes.

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There were charter schools everywhere.

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We had plenty to choose from.

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So we are limited.

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We are a bunch of transplants here and a lot of us, including myself, moved here specifically because the Topsail School District was so great.

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I just want to start out by saying that this episode isn't about whether or not the Topsail schools are good.

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They are good.

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This is about exploring a disruption to the way kids have been taught for over a century, which is the standardized curriculum and the standardized testing.

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The one size fits all in this age group teaching.

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So, this is a disruption.

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It has some Montessori touches to it.

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I think I don't have experience with Montessori, so you guys will have to tell me the similarities there as we go through this.

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I am going to give you some time here to explain this, the concept of the Acton Academy.

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I'm just going to let you go with it and tell us how it's so different from traditional schools.

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Great, oh, thank you, and thank you again for having us.

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Yeah, we agree with you Also.

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First of all, people care about education, and there's a lot of individuals doing their very best, putting their best efforts to work, and, like you, we're not here to say that anybody's doing a bad job, but we are glad to be able to offer an alternative, something a little different, and so that's what we found with Acting Academy, and I guess, to set this up for us and for the original founders of Acting Academy, good decision-making for our children is crucial.

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We want them to be able to make good decisions, so it is different than traditional schools we use.

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We call them guides rather than teachers, which is, I think, a term borrowed from Maria Montessori, and Socratic discussions are a big part of what we're doing, and that's where that kind of decision-making process comes in.

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It's a very much learner-driven environment.

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I'm sure we'll get into that a little bit more too.

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Oh, we will.

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This was a whole new language for me, actually.

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For us too, but it just with like sparks of delight and joy, almost common sense to me as well, as I've learned about it.

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It just it makes a lot of sense to me.

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So our young learners will have running partners and their peers will help critique their work and they'll hold each other accountable.

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So a running partner is someone in their age group their age range yeah.

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Yep.

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So a running partner will be somebody that they can look to, first to say hey, can you look over this, or did I do well enough here?

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And that kind of thing I guess I should say first every individual that walks through our doors at Acton Academy, we believe, is a genius.

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And it sounds cliche, but it's true, it's just.

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It's not just a sweet little phrase, it's something we actually believe and that each of those geniuses deserves to find a calling to be able to change the world in a profound way, and for that we use the hero's journey as a method or analogy for what we're doing.

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So our hope is that people that walk through our doors will be able to find their calling, find that thing that really makes them tick, find a passion, and I'm struggling with that with my own kids.

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When they come in, are you looking and trying to recognize what their passion might be?

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Are you truly just giving it to them and letting them explore and figure that out themselves?

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Good question, jess can answer if you have thoughts.

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I was just going to say it, the great thing about Acton is they will be introduced to lots of different interests and activities and projects and hopefully along the way they will find that passion because they will have plenty of opportunities to explore lots of different avenues.

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I was wondering about the different things that they might be exposed to, because right now it's math, science, social studies, reading and those we have to have.

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I get that Core skills.

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Yeah, what else are you providing them that would lead them to that passion?

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I did see in the video there was gardening, for instance, horticulture.

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What else are you having at your school to give them something outside of the basics?

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Yeah, so I guess a typical day would start with a launch and we can talk about that.

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But to answer your question, we'll start with a launch and then, generally speaking, the first half of the day is dedicated to core skills, which our heroes or young learners will go and essentially on their own and with electronic device devices maybe it's Khan Academy for math or Lexia mastery based software that they will be using, and the great thing about that is they master it and then they move on, so really they can move as quickly as they want.

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They're not held back by everybody else in the class so that's the first part of the day which maybe is a little more individual, but still some collaboration goes on.

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And then the second part of the day is what we call quest and that's where there's more integrating everything they're learning all together.

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So it could be like you mentioned gardening maybe there's somebody interested in horticulture, but we also have.

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This is part of what I think makes the guide different than just a teacher.

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They can set up optional project ideas, or would call them launches, for the young learners to be able to pick and choose their project to work on and focus on throughout the year or the six-week session.

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I think the key differences, if I'm understanding everything correctly, is traditional school.

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You're in the classroom from 7.30 to 2.30.

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You go with your same age group.

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You do the same things.

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There's a path that you follow throughout the year.

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You get tested on it and here it's learner driven, it's passion driven.

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They're self-learning, they're self-governing.

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There is a lot of peer to peer stuff.

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Here's another key difference that I feel like we should mention the guides are not allowed to give answers.

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What is a guide allowed to do?

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Good question.

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Really, it comes back to the Socratic method.

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They're not allowed to essentially give a declarative statement in response to a question a young learner might ask.

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They are allowed, though, if somebody or one of the heroes comes up and says I don't know what I want to do today, what should I do today?

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A guide might say what do you think would be a good thing for you to do with your time today?

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And they'd say I don't know.

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And the guy would say let's think of some options.

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What did you do yesterday, how did that work out, and what would be something you could do today?

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And that's, I think, a maybe silly example.

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But they're guiding rather than saying by asking questions.

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They are not giving you the answer.

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They're returning your question with another question to make you figure out what you want to do, and that is the Socratic method that we're talking about.

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I will take a moment here.

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Let's just touch on the Socratic discussions.

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I want to go ahead and get that out of the way before we move forward.

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So anyone who's confused about Socratic teaching methods it refers to Socrates, who that was his way of teaching.

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He would ask questions and then more difficult questions until people came up with their own answers.

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That's the Socratic method and that's what you're employing at Acton Academy.

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And I love that.

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And the reasoning and the root of that is because we want to push power back to these young learners, to the kids.

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We want to empower them for their own education, and asking a guide or an authority figure, a specific question and getting a non-specific question in return leads them to seek different avenues of finding answers to their questions and really it helps them to understand that what we believe is learning to ask the right questions is far more important than being able to regurgitate correct answers.

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We're going to go ahead and start diving in a little deeper Before we do.

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Who were the original Acton Academy founders and how long has this academy been in place?

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When did they?

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get started with this academy.

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So, jeff and Laura Sandifer, they are from Austin, texas, and they opened up the first acting academy back in 2009.

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2009.

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Do you know what prompted them to start it?

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Yes, I love that story.

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Tell me it's in the book and I'm sure if anyone does any research they'll happen upon it.

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But let's just mention the book here too, so people can look it up.

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It's called Courage to Grow, and Nick and Jessica were nice enough to bring me a coffee today so thank you very much, but go ahead and look at Courage to Grow when you get a chance.

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Go ahead and give us the nutshell version.

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Yeah, sure.

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So Courage to Grow was written by Laura Sandifer and I guess the nutshell version is that they had their two young boys in a non-traditional preschool, at Montessori School.

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And they went to their, I guess, the head teacher at their private school where they were planning to send their boys, and sat down and visited with them and said hey, at what point do you think we should transition our boys to this school?

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And he said, well, as soon as possible.

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And he said oh, that's interesting, why?

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And he said, after they've had all that freedom, they're not going to want to sit chained to a desk all day and have somebody talk at him for eight hours.

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And Jeff Sandifer looked at that head teacher and said I can't blame him, kind of almost just snapped back.

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And then that head teacher looked down for the longest time.

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In Jeff's recounting of the story he says he thought he offended him.

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But then that teacher looked up with tears in his eyes and just said I can't blame him, I wouldn't want to be talked at for eight hours a day either.

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So at that point I'm done, we're going to we're doing something else.

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We're going to homeschool, we're going to open a school I don't know what it is, but we're going to do something else and from that they did end up starting Acton Academy.

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Now there's over 300 around the world, right?

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So 300 Acton Academy affiliates around the world.

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Are they measurable advantages to having your kids go through a program like this?

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What benefits have you seen or what successes can you mention here that these schools have seen with their students?

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I think to me one of the most telling.

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I guess it's still anecdotal in this sense, but it's very broadly been proven as well.

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But one of the most common pieces of feedback that they'll get from individuals that have gone to acting academy and gone on to get jobs and say is that they are teachable, they are willing to learn, accept feedback and ask questions so they're teachable.

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I think that's to me a great indicator of some of the success of Acton Academy.

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Probably what a lot of people would be looking for would be an answer Like.

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I know that the studies and data have shown that on average, an Acton Academy learner will progress two and a half grade levels in the span of nine months.

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Oh, wow, and so that's significant yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's.

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That's on average, on average.

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And that's I think it's a side note, it's not the goal, but it's a telling point as well that when we allow these individuals to make choices for themselves and choose what they're going to do, do something they're passionate about, and really engage, the progress increases.

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You mentioned the hero's journey and when we were talking about it earlier, the kids are on a hero's journey.

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The guides are on a hero journey, but even the parents are also on a hero's journey.

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So talk to me a little bit about what that is.

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It's a new concept here, so tell me about the hero's journey.

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And it's new in the sense that we don't associate it with school typically but it is as old as time.

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So Joseph Campbell did a lot of work that focused on the hero's journey, or just the monomyth of.

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Think about your Frodo Baggins or your Luke Skywalker oh yeah, you're speaking to people right now.

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journey, or just the monomyth of think about your Frodo Baggins or your Luke Skywalker, oh yeah you're speaking to people right now.

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Just an ordinary person gets this call to venture and they answer the call.

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They have a decision.

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Often there's a mentor that helps get them to make this choice, to accept that call, and then they set out on this journey for discovering true treasure.

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And the treasure often ends up being within them.

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And along the way, they're fighting monsters monsters in our sense, and it acts in often our distraction.

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Victimhood or resistance might be one as well, and so this hero is setting out.

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They're setting out to change the world, they're setting out to do something, and it's often a service based for other people, and they return with this treasure to share with someone.

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Like we said along the way, like a lot of the learning that takes place is that asking those right questions is much more important.

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So I think a little bit about my dad.

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He was an educator and taught in public schools.

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My mom also, and I'm a product of public schools, but one of the things that I think my dad did really was and often frustratingly was to return our questions with more questions and invite us to find the answers ourselves.

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And yeah, and so I think that, along with the hero's journey, is really important.

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You are opening an affiliate Acton school here this fall.

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It's called Acton Academy Topsail.

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The age group for this first year is yeah, it's going to be ages 6 through 12.

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Okay, and how many students do you expect to have this first year?

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I think we want to start small and do it the right way and get a good tribe and community built.

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So our goal is 10 to 15 students the first year.

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Is that about average for Acton schools?

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Do you think?

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I think so.

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And the first Acton started with.

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I think seven was what they had.

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Oh, wow, okay.

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Yeah, so it's not huge and that was just very organic growth from there.

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They started in just a repurposed home in Austin Texas.

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The traditional classrooms.

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They're separated by ages and grade levels and often even different wings of the school.

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This is not it.

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This is a studio.

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Everyone's in the same room together.

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I can see how that's beneficial for the younger students.

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You've got the younger ones who are asking the questions to the older kids.

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But, like my son is 12, so he would be at the top of your age range that you're starting off with.

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I'm worried about him being challenged in the classroom.

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How is it going to challenge my 12 year old when he's maybe the only 12 year old?

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in the whole classroom.

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I think that's a great concern.

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The great and beautiful thing about the ACTED model is that it is learner driven.

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These 12 year olds can still learn at their own pace.

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They can set their own goals and challenges and can reach them as quickly as they put their mind to.

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And it also gives these 12-year-olds a great tool of learning to be a leader in the classroom.

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As they are mentors for the younger students and help make sure that the balances and checks are all in order, they learn a great, invaluable skill about being a leader that they might not get in the traditional classroom.

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That is important.

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You're right.

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If he's doing his own self learning prior to the project based stuff that they're going to be doing together, then he would already be doing his own thing over here and learning and progressing and then still get the leadership experience as well.

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I love that.

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I think just one other thing about having mixed age group is just that anybody who's tried to teach something to someone else, I think, has seen the benefit of you learn yourself much more as you try and impart some understanding to somebody else, and so going both ways both for those who are younger, those who are older.

00:17:58.986 --> 00:18:04.035
There's all sorts of benefits and just learning to work with different age levels and different groups.

00:18:04.520 --> 00:18:07.851
Does Acton follow a traditional school year or is it year round?

00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:13.012
We'll start with our first year on September 3rd and we'll generally follow the Pender County calendar.

00:18:13.220 --> 00:18:14.727
Okay, and how long are the school days?

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They're your pretty typical school day.

00:18:16.406 --> 00:18:21.344
We plan to start at eight and end by three, monday through Friday, and you said your parents were.

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Both of them were school teachers in the public school system, and you're a product of the public school system as I am, I am as well.

00:18:28.255 --> 00:18:40.852
Okay, and have any of your kids attended an Acton school at this point, no not yet and, to be a hundred percent honest, that's a big part of why we're starting an Acton Academy, because we want our kids to be able to go there and we have four.

00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:43.105
How old are your kids and what grades are they going to be in?

00:18:43.224 --> 00:18:44.367
So we have four kids.

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We have a 13-year-old She'll go into eighth grade 12-year-old who will start this fall at Acton Academy, otherwise would go into sixth grade Then we have an eight-year-old and a five-year-old who will both join.

00:18:54.980 --> 00:18:57.007
We talked about the Courage to Grow book.

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Who gave you that book?

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How did you get turned on to that in this academy?

00:19:06.605 --> 00:19:09.195
So Nick, for years probably over 10 years has just really felt like he has wanted and honestly felt called to start a school.

00:19:09.195 --> 00:19:14.391
He came home and just I feel like I need to start a school and for a long time years we didn't really know what that would look like.

00:19:14.391 --> 00:19:17.507
We talk about it but nothing really fell into place.

00:19:17.507 --> 00:19:28.386
Five years ago we were living in St George, utah, where we just moved from, and on Facebook I was scrolling one day and came across an ad for an acting academy offering the Courage to Grow book.

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So I requested the book, got it in the mail and gave it to Nick and said I think you should read this.

00:19:32.673 --> 00:19:34.843
This seems like something I think you would like.

00:19:35.084 --> 00:19:35.705
Yeah, and I did.

00:19:36.849 --> 00:19:41.805
You mentioned that you are from Utah, so what brought you to this area specifically?

00:19:42.046 --> 00:19:44.510
We were just I always tell people just chasing a dream.

00:19:44.510 --> 00:19:50.492
We wanted to live on the coast of similar to the school thing I'd say to Jess, let's try North Carolina.

00:19:50.573 --> 00:19:51.541
It sounds so nice.

00:19:51.541 --> 00:19:58.384
We had never been here, never visited no family, like nothing really was jumping out at us about North Carolina.

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Other than yeah, just a pull, an inexplicable pull.

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Did you come out to visit North Carolina before you made the move?

00:20:05.109 --> 00:20:07.005
Did you come just test the waters a little bit?

00:20:07.346 --> 00:20:07.645
We did.

00:20:07.826 --> 00:20:17.979
We did, but it was like after we had made up our mind we were moving, it was like we're going to move, but we better check it out Just to be sure, did you target Topsail area right off the bat?

00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:19.182
Yeah, we did?

00:20:20.673 --> 00:20:26.336
We looked at Wilmington and our gaze shifted north, as many of us did.

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When did?

00:20:26.636 --> 00:20:27.058
you move here.

00:20:27.058 --> 00:20:29.258
We arrived in April of 2023.

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So we've been here for just a little over a year.

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We love it.

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We love the beach.

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Nick is living his dream because he gets to surf every day.

00:20:35.499 --> 00:20:36.060
Oh, nice.

00:20:36.060 --> 00:20:45.109
Well, we met in Hawaii in the ocean of all places, and so I did a little bit there, but I'm relearning here, so it's been fun.

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Where did y'all grow up?

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Where were you born?

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and raised.

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I grew up in Utah.

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And I'm from Wyoming, so we had to cross the ocean and go to Hawaii before we actually met each other.

00:20:53.055 --> 00:20:56.118
But we just love the ocean, we love the beach, we love the water.

00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:02.749
As mentioned earlier, acton uses the term guides instead of teachers, and will the two of you be guides?

00:21:03.151 --> 00:21:08.982
So I will continue working external to our Acton Academy top soul, but Jess will start out.

00:21:08.982 --> 00:21:17.345
We're very selective, and I think understandably so, about who will be a guide, and a guide that is, on a hero's journey themselves.

00:21:17.345 --> 00:21:22.701
Jess is going to be the first guide, as we continue to look for an assistant guide and then move on from there.

00:21:22.930 --> 00:21:25.155
How many guides will you have in the classroom?

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Let's say you have 15 students to start out with this year.

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How many guides will you have in there for the duration of the school year.

00:21:32.210 --> 00:21:33.290
We will have two guides.

00:21:33.290 --> 00:21:41.818
I think we could have one guide, really, but unless they get sick, we would need another guide, a backup, so an assistant guide, just one that knows the kids and what they're going through every day.

00:21:41.838 --> 00:21:49.505
They can be there when the other one can't, because this is a new concept and they're not allowed to just answer the questions or give them too much instruction.

00:21:49.505 --> 00:21:51.426
They have to answer the question with another question.

00:21:51.426 --> 00:21:56.940
I assume there's going to be some training involved with your guides.

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How, where are they going?

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to get this training?

00:21:57.866 --> 00:22:04.092
Good question They'll be vetted through a process similar to what we went through as we auditioned to become an Acton Academy affiliate.

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You two auditioned with the original founders.

00:22:07.199 --> 00:22:08.501
Yeah, that difficult.

00:22:08.622 --> 00:22:09.471
It was yeah, we had to.

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Was it really we had to make a video of ourselves and submit it and answer?

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questions.

00:22:14.011 --> 00:22:17.359
Oh, so you weren't in person when this was done online.

00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:18.869
We were able to do it virtually yeah.

00:22:19.111 --> 00:22:20.795
How do you go about training the guides?

00:22:20.855 --> 00:22:22.780
Yes, the guides will be trained.

00:22:22.780 --> 00:22:33.930
First of all, they'll go through an audition process similar to the one we went through as we auditioned to become an Acton affiliate, and they will also because we're part of the Acton Academy network.

00:22:33.930 --> 00:22:40.459
They have access to training tools and I think the software is called my Journey Tracker that they'll use.

00:22:40.459 --> 00:22:46.922
But they will do challenges and learn the Socratic method that way and through interaction with us and with other guides in the network.

00:22:47.349 --> 00:22:53.555
I'm assuming, then, that the guides don't have to have teaching degrees Correct, because I'm a helicopter mom.

00:22:53.695 --> 00:22:54.397
As many of us are.

00:22:54.509 --> 00:22:56.538
Will there be background checks of these guides?

00:22:56.758 --> 00:22:56.878
Yeah.

00:22:57.269 --> 00:22:58.512
Okay, I just had to ask.

00:22:58.594 --> 00:23:01.039
That's a good question that I'm sure lots of parents wonder about.

00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:02.652
Let's talk about the learning tools.

00:23:02.652 --> 00:23:07.373
You mentioned, the electronic devices, and where they're using Khan Academy, which we do.

00:23:07.373 --> 00:23:14.894
Have experience with Khan Academy at North Topsail Elementary, which is where my kids went, so I know a little bit about that and how they progress through those levels.

00:23:14.894 --> 00:23:16.277
What other materials Are there?

00:23:16.277 --> 00:23:22.465
Workbooks, what about supplies, and do you issue electronic devices, or are we going to bring our own from home?

00:23:22.465 --> 00:23:26.961
What about science supplies and what about art and music and all of those things?

00:23:26.961 --> 00:23:30.998
What are you going to have there for them to get them excited about learning?

00:23:31.199 --> 00:23:40.858
So learners will engage with mastery-based software to develop their core skills in math, science, reading, writing, and that way students can progress at their own pace.

00:23:40.858 --> 00:23:48.289
They get badges or maybe points as they master each skill, and the use of gamification helps keep these kids excited and motivated to learn.

00:23:48.289 --> 00:24:00.180
And we also combine a Montessori blended approach and then, of course, project-based learning that we talked about, in a cohesive model to provide a rich entrepreneurial environment for students.

00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.884
And so it's experiential, it's hands-on, it's fun.

00:24:02.884 --> 00:24:04.696
In other words, learning is meant to be fun.

00:24:05.038 --> 00:24:12.819
The gamification is going to appeal to my boys anyway, and in the video that I watched they had the entrepreneurial.

00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:17.958
It was like a fair where they created their own products and they had this fair where they set up their booths.

00:24:18.138 --> 00:24:20.163
Yes, it's called the Children's Business Fair.

00:24:20.163 --> 00:24:20.564
Yeah.

00:24:20.724 --> 00:24:29.374
Acton Foundation will facilitate really anyone that wants to set up a children's business fair in their area, and we did a children's business fair.

00:24:29.374 --> 00:24:38.018
I actually listened to a podcast that you had with the Shaka Taco founders, and so our business fair was at Shaka Taco in Hampstead.

00:24:38.038 --> 00:24:42.065
I was thinking of that business fair, because I saw that and I didn't know about it ahead of time.

00:24:42.065 --> 00:24:43.252
I saw it too late.

00:24:43.252 --> 00:24:49.357
That would have been so fun to go to, and the video reminded me very much of that, so y'all were at that or that was.

00:24:49.478 --> 00:24:50.000
That was us.

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.011
We hosted that, we put that on for the community and we're excited to do it.

00:24:54.011 --> 00:24:58.578
It was a success and the kids loved it and learned a lot from it, so we plan to continue to do that.

00:24:58.578 --> 00:24:59.540
I hope so.

00:24:59.780 --> 00:25:00.762
It got my attention.

00:25:00.962 --> 00:25:07.378
We should say, too, that we're not promising any kind of, like you know, a panacea or utopia.

00:25:07.378 --> 00:25:09.683
It's it's we're learning as well.

00:25:09.683 --> 00:25:17.818
Everybody's learning along the way, and I'm sure we'll make mistakes, but I think we are dedicated to, first of all, that belief that every child is a genius.

00:25:17.818 --> 00:25:21.383
And we want to empower them and give the power back to these young learners.

00:25:21.383 --> 00:25:23.405
So that they can find their own calling.

00:25:23.445 --> 00:25:24.086
I love it.

00:25:24.086 --> 00:25:28.481
My boys would be so mad if I don't ask you are you going to send them home with homework?

00:25:28.481 --> 00:25:31.740
Because that is just the bane of my 12-year-old's existence.

00:25:31.869 --> 00:25:37.397
We believe that family is in charge of their time after school, so we will not assign homework.

00:25:37.397 --> 00:25:40.328
Is in charge of their time after school, so we will not assign homework.

00:25:40.328 --> 00:25:46.470
We have heard from other Actons that lots of times children will bring their work home to work on it because they are engaged, they're having fun and they enjoy the learning process.

00:25:46.470 --> 00:25:48.575
So they will continue to work on their projects at home.

00:25:48.575 --> 00:25:52.383
But we will not send worksheets, workbooks He'll be thrilled.

00:25:52.810 --> 00:25:56.085
Will they receive any outdoor activities?

00:25:56.085 --> 00:25:59.777
Or, like a recess, because that's my nine-year-old's favorite subject?

00:25:59.777 --> 00:26:01.402
Mine too.

00:26:01.402 --> 00:26:06.260
What are you going to have for them as far as outdoor physical activities?

00:26:06.609 --> 00:26:13.183
The typical makeup of each day is there's an hour break for lunch in the middle and slash recess, free time to do what they like.

00:26:13.183 --> 00:26:18.973
But a lot of learning will lead these young learners outside anyway, but a lot of learning will lead these young learners outside anyway.

00:26:18.973 --> 00:26:28.301
And I mean, if it's a nice day and somebody wants to go read on the porch or out in the yard, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to go outside.

00:26:28.402 --> 00:26:34.247
A lot can be learned from a game of kickball and just lots of play and exercise.

00:26:34.247 --> 00:26:35.426
There's a lot to be learned.

00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:39.233
And so we plan to incorporate that into every day.

00:26:39.233 --> 00:26:46.259
It's really hard for me to turn off one paradigm in my head and adopt another one, and even with myself growing up, grades were so important to me.

00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:48.190
And so where's the testing?

00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:49.311
Like I got to know.

00:26:49.311 --> 00:26:54.281
Like, how do acting students get tested the same way they get tested in a regular school?

00:26:54.281 --> 00:26:55.023
How are you?

00:26:55.023 --> 00:26:58.298
I think North Carolina requires some testing, right.

00:26:58.298 --> 00:27:05.523
And then how do you know that they've mastered a skill and can now move forward without that testing in place?

00:27:06.089 --> 00:27:12.763
I, as a parent, also would love to know what is my child doing at school and what are they accomplishing, and how can I know if they are mastering this?

00:27:12.763 --> 00:27:24.773
So to answer that question, the mastery-based software can show you how much they are mastering, along as they go, and additionally, we would have public exhibitions where parents can come in and the children will show off their work.

00:27:24.773 --> 00:27:31.890
They'll show them their projects that they've been working on and it's a great way for parents to see all the work that they're doing at Acton.

00:27:32.109 --> 00:27:40.321
Yeah, the first thought that comes to my mind is you mentioned mindset and Carol Dweck did a lot of research and wrote a book called Mindset.

00:27:40.321 --> 00:27:48.221
But we're big on growth, mindset and like the idea of praising effort and progress and not necessarily just the result.

00:27:48.221 --> 00:27:50.878
We won't issue ABC grades.

00:27:50.878 --> 00:28:04.362
Like we said, there are badges, there are points, there's a system of incentive and motivation that's in place, but it's not an authoritative figure that is assigning any kind of a grade or judgment on their work.

00:28:04.609 --> 00:28:06.942
Some kids are like I'm not going to get graded.

00:28:06.942 --> 00:28:09.876
This is awesome, I don't have to work that hard here.

00:28:09.876 --> 00:28:15.041
So how do you combat someone is I don't have to worry about bringing home a, D or C or F.

00:28:15.041 --> 00:28:20.538
How do you get them to be motivated to work hard in the classroom?

00:28:20.710 --> 00:28:27.987
I think the key there is finding the right incentive, but everyone will work if you find out what they want to work for as a guide.

00:28:27.987 --> 00:28:30.153
You just put in place the right incentives.

00:28:30.153 --> 00:28:31.317
Can you give me an example?

00:28:31.317 --> 00:28:37.114
Fun Friday we're going to go to the beach on Friday and if you have this badge passed off, you get to join us.

00:28:37.114 --> 00:28:45.271
We might even also have a snow cone while we're there and if they have that badge passed off, they're probably going to work for that so that they can join their friends at the beach Friday.

00:28:45.271 --> 00:28:52.300
But if they decided to skip their work all week, didn't get the badge, they're going to be stuck in the building on Friday working on that instead.

00:28:52.525 --> 00:28:54.308
Let's say that it doesn't work out.

00:28:54.308 --> 00:28:59.346
For whatever reason, I pull my kid out of public schools, I send them to Acton.

00:28:59.346 --> 00:29:04.826
We give it a year, maybe two, and we're like this is just not for my kid, it's not working out.

00:29:04.826 --> 00:29:13.539
I guess, first of all, when you see a kid struggling in that environment, what do you have in place to nurture that kid through the remainder of the school year?

00:29:13.539 --> 00:29:17.074
What do you do when a kid is really struggling in that environment?

00:29:17.354 --> 00:29:18.657
And do you mean struggling?

00:29:19.326 --> 00:29:20.949
I could see my nine-year-old.

00:29:20.949 --> 00:29:22.250
He loves structure.

00:29:22.250 --> 00:29:26.338
He wants to know what he's facing for the day.

00:29:26.338 --> 00:29:31.817
My 12-year-old is probably going to love this environment a whole lot because he doesn't like the structure.

00:29:31.817 --> 00:29:34.233
He wants to go in and determine his own path.

00:29:34.233 --> 00:29:36.834
Nothing would suit him better than that environment.

00:29:36.834 --> 00:29:43.017
My 9-year-old is much different, so he may like I don't know what to do with the chaos.

00:29:43.017 --> 00:29:48.192
I would imagine that some kids don't do well in that environment for any number of reasons, but what?

00:29:48.231 --> 00:29:51.656
do you do when you see a kid who's like in the corner, just not participating?

00:29:51.656 --> 00:29:52.637
I don't know what to do here.

00:29:52.637 --> 00:29:53.819
I can't find my passion.

00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:54.601
I'm frustrated.

00:29:54.601 --> 00:29:56.010
How do you deal with that?

00:29:56.306 --> 00:30:06.798
Yeah, I would say, first and foremost, one of the things that we tell people, as we're describing Acton Academy, is that our ideal day is looks like no adult interaction.

00:30:06.798 --> 00:30:14.987
If the adult didn't even enter the room, it would be a beautiful thing and nothing would change and these young learners would continue and go about and things would work out smoothly.

00:30:14.987 --> 00:30:19.747
And if that's a scary thing to some people, we understand and we get it and that's okay.

00:30:19.747 --> 00:30:26.730
It may not be the right place, and so I think, just understanding that at the outset, that's what our hope and goal is.

00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:28.134
So that, first of all.

00:30:28.134 --> 00:30:38.896
Second, though, I think, especially when you mentioned somebody like your son who appreciates some structure, I think the beautiful thing is that he can learn to create his own structure and provide that for himself.

00:30:39.005 --> 00:30:40.088
Oh, that's a good answer, Nick.

00:30:40.309 --> 00:30:42.086
That's really good, but it's so true.

00:30:42.086 --> 00:30:46.755
That is the whole point of acting is they create the answer to whatever they need.

00:30:46.755 --> 00:30:47.215
That was.

00:30:47.296 --> 00:30:48.979
That is exactly what I needed to hear.

00:30:48.979 --> 00:30:52.673
No, he, he does need to learn how to create his own structure.

00:30:52.673 --> 00:30:53.737
You're a hundred percent right.

00:30:53.984 --> 00:30:58.634
It's a beautiful and amazing thought, and we will do everything we can to put it in place.

00:30:58.634 --> 00:31:00.531
Me as a parent, it is so hard.

00:31:00.531 --> 00:31:05.654
It's hard to watch them struggle, and so that's one of the things that we're overcoming and working on.

00:31:11.724 --> 00:31:14.434
But yeah, I think again just trying to give the power back to these young learners With the other affiliate schools.

00:31:14.434 --> 00:31:16.101
Has there ever been an instance where the student returned to public schools?

00:31:16.101 --> 00:31:19.130
And if so, did they test that kid to see like did you, are you up with us now?

00:31:19.130 --> 00:31:21.055
Did you cover the same curriculum?

00:31:21.055 --> 00:31:21.964
Now we've got to test you.

00:31:21.964 --> 00:31:23.386
We might hold you back for a year.

00:31:23.386 --> 00:31:26.772
That's another one of my fears that I'm trying to wrap my head around.

00:31:26.772 --> 00:31:31.079
What happens if it doesn't work out and we have to go back into the public school system?

00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:32.791
Is it going to be behind?

00:31:33.105 --> 00:31:41.734
State law does require that we do testing like the state mandated standardized test, and so we will do that as just a normal part of the day.

00:31:41.734 --> 00:31:42.890
We'll hand it out and move on.

00:31:42.890 --> 00:31:44.371
We'll do that because it's required.

00:31:44.371 --> 00:31:57.537
So I guess schools will have that piece of information if somebody ever did have to go back to the school, and there have certainly been instances where a young learner didn't fit or didn't find what they were hoping to find at.

00:31:57.537 --> 00:32:00.346
Acton and went back, but each situation is so different.

00:32:00.386 --> 00:32:05.666
I guess that leads to the next question Then are Acton schools accredited and if so, by whom?

00:32:06.107 --> 00:32:16.349
We're accredited by the International Association for Learner Driven Schools, and there is a society of micro schools that we're also a part of, but so, yes, we are accredited.

00:32:16.410 --> 00:32:24.125
So if it didn't work out and we went back into the public schools, this would help us with regard to getting them back into the school system at the proper grade level.

00:32:24.125 --> 00:32:26.130
Yeah, this feels.

00:32:26.130 --> 00:32:27.132
In some ways.

00:32:27.132 --> 00:32:33.292
There's some similarities to homeschooling, and here in Hampstead we have a very large homeschooling population.

00:32:33.292 --> 00:32:37.913
I love that, Outside of the obvious, you have an away from home location.

00:32:37.913 --> 00:32:41.606
What would you say are the benefits to attending Acton over?

00:32:41.646 --> 00:32:42.329
homeschooling?

00:32:42.329 --> 00:32:43.012
Good question.

00:32:43.012 --> 00:32:51.229
I think what draws a lot of people to choose homeschooling is just the freedom, and Acton Academy also offers a lot of freedom.

00:32:51.229 --> 00:33:01.704
Our goal, though, is to build a community of lifelong learners, and, as children come and interact with each other and set goals and play together, they are building a community.

00:33:02.025 --> 00:33:08.778
Yeah, it really emphasizes collaboration, real challenges, and it holds them to a high standard of character.

00:33:08.778 --> 00:33:18.892
And we've explored homeschool and I, I just we have to honor those who are willing and able to make that kind of a change and take that, take that challenge on.

00:33:18.892 --> 00:33:29.968
But I think there's there is so much to be said for humans bumping into each other and trying to figure out how to work together in a setting that's not, that's outside the home as well.

00:33:30.148 --> 00:33:33.278
Does Acton offer special needs programs?

00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:42.773
So we're not trained to serve children with serious learning disabilities, but we have been able to serve we as the network has been able to serve young heroes with dyslexia if they receive special training.

00:33:42.773 --> 00:33:53.375
And I think too, it's important to point out that we believe, believe often some minor learning disabilities are potentially misdiagnosed, and so we're not in the business of labeling people.

00:33:53.375 --> 00:34:00.323
We'll take a look at the fit of the family and see how things go, but we don't have training for those with particular special needs.

00:34:00.443 --> 00:34:04.496
Okay, so if you don't want to label things, you're not going to like my next question.

00:34:04.496 --> 00:34:09.554
But so they have the AIG classes in the traditional schools.

00:34:09.554 --> 00:34:17.135
How do you feel that academically gifted children how they would do in the acting environment?

00:34:17.195 --> 00:34:24.737
We honestly really do believe that every single young person is gifted so they can progress in any subject, to any level.

00:34:24.737 --> 00:34:38.708
A gifted individual has the power and ability and the tools to be able to excel far beyond what they may otherwise be able to find, whether it's in public school or elsewhere, because the sky's the limit.

00:34:38.708 --> 00:34:42.326
It's what do they know and what can they understand, and so they can keep going.

00:34:43.527 --> 00:34:56.094
Sometimes kids in the classroom may not have grasped the full concept, but because the rest of the class is moving on, they have to move on with the rest of the class and I was wondering if you could speak to that.

00:34:56.094 --> 00:34:58.264
So no, no kids getting pushed forward.

00:34:58.826 --> 00:35:00.391
My own personal experience.

00:35:00.391 --> 00:35:01.534
I studied it.

00:35:01.534 --> 00:35:10.706
It's called ESADE, it's a business school in Spain, business school in Spain.

00:35:10.706 --> 00:35:16.056
But even in a master's degree program I felt just a huge pressure for me myself to just fit it fit in, even with this small cohort of about 10 other individuals.

00:35:16.056 --> 00:35:26.630
I did not understand this ANCOVA statistical method very well, but I didn't feel like I could say I don't get it because we're in a master's program and we're supposed to get it.

00:35:26.670 --> 00:35:32.980
And so I kept on going and had to then go back and just a huge mess to try and figure things out later on.

00:35:32.980 --> 00:35:40.985
But I get that 100% and I think that type of pressure and just expectation is eliminated at Acton Academy.

00:35:41.226 --> 00:35:53.447
I think too, if a child is experiencing that and they get a bad grade, that's very discouraging, then you just want to like I must not be a great student, I'm just going to give up and then acting up in class just because they're hurt.

00:35:53.447 --> 00:35:56.695
And so I felt it helps both the full range of kids.

00:35:56.695 --> 00:36:11.871
Whether you're academically gifted in a traditional sense or you're being forced to move along at a pace that you can't keep up with and get super discouraged, I feel like the Acton Academy method is going to serve a broad range of kids who are dealing with different problems.

00:36:11.871 --> 00:36:14.746
Whether you're at this end or that end the learning spectrum.

00:36:14.867 --> 00:36:27.211
Absolutely, and one thing that I did want to be sure and point out was just that it's just brings us back to that focus of encouraging young learners to participate in their hero's journey and find a calling that that will change the world in a profound way.

00:36:27.211 --> 00:36:40.034
And so if that means for a particular young hero that developing a math equation that allows them to travel through a black hole, we would be delighted and support them in that and that would be an amazing and great calling.

00:36:40.344 --> 00:36:43.474
How involved are the parents in your school?

00:36:43.474 --> 00:36:48.293
Jessica, you did mention that you will have events where we come and see their projects.

00:36:48.293 --> 00:36:50.978
Yeah, public exhibitions Public exhibitions.

00:36:51.306 --> 00:36:53.052
How else would we get involved?

00:36:53.052 --> 00:36:57.275
Right, I think when a learner joins Acton, you become an Acton family.

00:36:57.275 --> 00:37:00.204
Parents agree to also be on their own hero's journey.

00:37:00.204 --> 00:37:04.514
They will also sign a contract to adhere to the standard of Acton.

00:37:04.514 --> 00:37:05.737
Yeah.

00:37:05.885 --> 00:37:17.427
I think that's one of the difficult things for parents, and us as well, is to essentially respect that young learners experience and respect their studio and the studio space as sacred.

00:37:17.427 --> 00:37:32.143
Parents are encouraged to read their hero's badge plan and support them in their goals, but we actually ask that parents don't email guides or owners without first having asked permission from their child to do that, and we're not going to have a meeting about a child without that child sitting there.

00:37:32.143 --> 00:37:42.452
Because we don't want to become, we don't want to come between you and your child, that's you, that's between you and your child, and we're trying to respect the learning experience of the child and push the power back to the young people.

00:37:42.452 --> 00:37:53.679
There are journey meetings where parents are invited to sit with their young learners present, and, like she mentioned, learning exhibitions where parents and community members are invited to come and see what these young learners have been working on.

00:37:53.804 --> 00:37:56.844
But I do want to say that we would love like parent involvement.

00:37:56.844 --> 00:38:06.699
If there is something a parent is good at or passionate about, whether that be like Nick surfing, then we would love for them to come take the kids surfing and introduce them to all sorts of different things.

00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:09.110
We would love parents to be involved in that aspect.

00:38:09.630 --> 00:38:16.014
We're not closing doors, no yeah, but we do want there to be a clear boundary between where we're willing to step in and not we don't want to.

00:38:16.014 --> 00:38:18.755
We don't want to step in and fix problems for parents or children.

00:38:18.755 --> 00:38:20.405
The idea is that they'll learn to do it on their own.

00:38:20.625 --> 00:38:23.128
I'm not going to lie, that's another paradigm shift.

00:38:23.128 --> 00:38:23.648
Oh for sure it's hard.

00:38:23.688 --> 00:38:24.550
It is hard to oh, for sure it's hard.

00:38:24.590 --> 00:38:29.074
It is hard to yes, to see your child struggle and not want to solve the problem for them.

00:38:29.195 --> 00:38:30.976
Or just give them so much freedom.

00:38:31.197 --> 00:38:33.780
Yeah, that age I'm not used to that yeah.

00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:35.101
Okay.

00:38:35.101 --> 00:38:43.271
So let's talk about the pricing.

00:38:43.271 --> 00:38:45.273
This is a private school, okay.

00:38:45.273 --> 00:38:47.505
What is the planned annual tuition?

00:38:47.905 --> 00:38:52.277
For year one, the tuition will be $9,200 with a $500 registration fee.

00:38:52.726 --> 00:39:03.277
And are there any costs in addition to that registration fee and the annual tuition that parents would need to know about, like buying supplies and surfing lessons or snow cones?

00:39:03.277 --> 00:39:05.293
Is there anything else we should expect throughout the year?

00:39:05.565 --> 00:39:07.693
No, we don't plan to have any other fees.

00:39:07.693 --> 00:39:09.833
We'll provide like Chromebooks, for example.

00:39:10.085 --> 00:39:12.492
Oh, y'all do provide the Chromebooks, okay, okay.

00:39:12.634 --> 00:39:15.172
Yeah and no, those are the only costs associated with it.

00:39:15.172 --> 00:39:15.514
Okay.

00:39:15.664 --> 00:39:17.471
So 9,200 the first year.

00:39:17.471 --> 00:39:23.431
You feel like that may change as time goes by, or just an adjustment like every private school does.

00:39:23.492 --> 00:39:24.505
Exactly Okay.

00:39:24.505 --> 00:39:27.110
I can't predict inflation, unfortunately I wish you could.

00:39:27.771 --> 00:39:32.693
You mentioned this to me and so I did a little bit of research to figure it out because I wasn't completely clear on it.

00:39:32.693 --> 00:39:37.250
North Carolina did just pass that universal school choice bill last year.

00:39:37.250 --> 00:39:43.407
I would say that you could go and apply for that, but there's a very short window, february 1st to March 1st.

00:39:43.407 --> 00:39:46.032
That's the window you get to apply for the next school year.

00:39:46.032 --> 00:39:46.672
That's gone.

00:39:46.672 --> 00:39:53.061
But you could, on February 1st, go apply for the 25-26 school year and use that money from that bill.

00:39:53.061 --> 00:39:57.215
But I would also like to say too that that is still based on an annual income.

00:39:57.215 --> 00:40:01.436
It's a sliding scale about how much you would be awarded in that scholarship program.

00:40:01.436 --> 00:40:07.637
But are there any other scholarships or financial aid opportunities that you could tell us about?

00:40:07.965 --> 00:40:11.400
Yes, we will definitely have some scholarship opportunities.

00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.126
If it was up to me, this would be free.

00:40:13.126 --> 00:40:16.653
I believe that every child really should have this as an option.

00:40:16.653 --> 00:40:19.288
It is amazing, and this is one of the biggest questions.

00:40:19.288 --> 00:40:21.795
Nick and I have gone back and forth on what should the tuition be?

00:40:21.795 --> 00:40:27.713
But unfortunately we do have to pay for building and guides and lots of different things, so there has to be some kind of.

00:40:27.713 --> 00:40:29.215
There has to be some kind of tuition.

00:40:29.416 --> 00:40:30.978
Yeah, it's completely understandable.

00:40:30.978 --> 00:40:37.713
I get why you have to do that, but again, when you're used to going to public schools and now you've got to figure out a way to afford a private school.

00:40:37.713 --> 00:40:44.833
It's something that we all have to think about and consider, so I just wanted to put those questions out there for you so that the listeners can be aware.

00:40:45.072 --> 00:40:57.556
Yeah, and I think, too, it's worth noting that as we grow, we our plan is to be able to provide scholarships, and if somebody's got a creative idea, we're open to it.

00:40:57.556 --> 00:40:58.139
We don't want to, we're not.

00:40:58.139 --> 00:40:59.565
We're not trying to exclude anybody for any particular reason.

00:40:59.565 --> 00:41:00.849
This is just where we're at right now.

00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:02.974
So let's talk about your future plans.

00:41:02.974 --> 00:41:06.454
Where do you see Acton Academy Topsail in five years?

00:41:06.695 --> 00:41:18.313
Great yeah, we're starting now with an elementary school studio and then we'll add a spark or preschool and then middle school after that as soon as possible, followed by Launchpad, which is our term for high school.

00:41:18.313 --> 00:41:27.791
So in five years we plan to be able to facilitate up through Launchpad high school and even, sometime in the future, open up additional campuses to where.

00:41:28.032 --> 00:41:28.835
Neighboring cities.

00:41:28.835 --> 00:41:29.717
Is that what you mean?

00:41:29.836 --> 00:41:33.235
Yeah, and even just depending on demand we could have, I don't know how.

00:41:33.255 --> 00:41:34.418
There's a handful in Austin.

00:41:34.418 --> 00:41:35.260
Yeah, there's five.

00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:36.625
Really, there's an academy in Austin.

00:41:36.925 --> 00:41:45.835
And part of that is because and I think, again borrowed from Montessori is that the ideal kind of learner-to-guide ratio is somewhere around 30,.

00:41:45.835 --> 00:41:49.340
I believe young learners, and so we don't want to overfill.

00:41:49.784 --> 00:41:57.251
So it must be really popular then in Austin, if so many people are going there that they need multiple campuses, I would imagine.

00:41:57.411 --> 00:41:57.932
That's great.

00:41:57.932 --> 00:41:58.554
It's good to hear.

00:41:58.554 --> 00:42:01.353
Yeah, there are lots of other campuses popping up.

00:42:01.505 --> 00:42:04.853
You have a website, actintopsilcom.

00:42:04.853 --> 00:42:08.568
People can go there and learn a lot of information that we may not have covered here today.

00:42:08.568 --> 00:42:11.795
In particular, there's a frequently asked questions tab.

00:42:11.795 --> 00:42:15.672
If I missed any questions that you didn't get answered, certainly go there.

00:42:15.672 --> 00:42:22.474
One of the questions I noticed on there which caught me off guard I didn't even think to ask it Is this a religious based school?

00:42:22.715 --> 00:42:23.217
Good question.

00:42:23.217 --> 00:42:37.425
So we are open to believers, searchers and non-believers alike, as it points out in our FAQs, but we expose children to the importance of mindful spirituality and stress the historical importance of Christianity in the development of Western culture.

00:42:37.425 --> 00:42:43.277
So we're not promoting any particular religion, but we ourselves are religious and we're not hiding that either.

00:42:43.277 --> 00:42:46.134
So, that's just the way we approach the religious question.

00:42:46.425 --> 00:42:48.152
It is time to wrap things up.

00:42:48.152 --> 00:42:50.050
Would you like to give out the contact information?

00:42:50.050 --> 00:42:50.432
Sure.

00:42:50.552 --> 00:42:55.164
Okay, yeah, phone number 385-210-7404.

00:42:55.164 --> 00:42:59.871
And the website is wwwactintopsilcom.

00:42:59.871 --> 00:43:06.873
You can email nick at actintopsilcom.

00:43:06.873 --> 00:43:09.967
You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook.

00:43:10.309 --> 00:43:12.436
I will have those links.

00:43:12.436 --> 00:43:16.889
They will be in my show notes, so I'll have all of your contact information listed there.

00:43:16.889 --> 00:43:20.697
I'll have your website, your Facebook and your Instagram accounts.

00:43:20.697 --> 00:43:24.695
I will have those hot and so all they have to do is click on that and go straight to your page.

00:43:24.695 --> 00:43:28.476
So if you missed any of this information, you know where to go and get all you need there.

00:43:28.476 --> 00:43:31.550
Just want to say thank you to my listeners who joined us today.

00:43:31.550 --> 00:43:46.590
We had a lot to cover and because this is so different from regular schools, I just felt like we needed to dive in on a little bit more serious note and if I didn't ask the questions that you wanted to hear, then reach out to Nick and Jessica, call email, check out their website.

00:43:46.590 --> 00:43:48.552
Please go, look at that YouTube video.

00:43:48.552 --> 00:43:50.213
I really encourage that as well.

00:43:50.213 --> 00:43:51.134
So thank you.

00:43:51.134 --> 00:43:53.115
Thank you again, nick and Jessica.

00:43:53.115 --> 00:43:54.556
Thank you so much, kristen.

00:43:54.657 --> 00:44:05.313
I appreciate you guys coming in here and just being subjected to someone who's like I don't trust, I don't know what am I going to do with my kid, believe it or not, it's been fun for us, so thank you.

00:44:05.505 --> 00:44:06.007
Okay, good.

00:44:06.007 --> 00:44:07.329
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