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Welcome to the Topsail Insider podcast, where locals, vacationers and those looking to relocate to the greater Topsail area can hear all about the wonderful businesses and events in our beautiful coastal Carolina towns, including Hampstead, Topsail Beach, Surf City, North Topsail, Holly Ridge and Sneads Ferry.
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Coming up, we all know and love the wonderful Sea Turtle Hospital in Surf City.
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We see the pictures and watch the videos of the amazing Sea Turtle rescues and releases and we count the nest all through the summer.
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But here is your chance to hear a wonderful conversation with the executive director of this incredible organization, Miss Kathy Zagzebski.
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Enjoy, Hello everyone and welcome to the Topsoil Insider podcast.
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My name is Krista and I am your host Today.
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I am so excited to be interviewing Miss Kathy Zagzebski.
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Did I say it right?
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You did, Kathy Zagzebski?
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she is the Executive Director of the Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Rescue and Rehabilitation Center in Surf City, North Carolina.
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Can you see how excited I am?
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I am so excited.
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I am so excited to be speaking with you today.
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Thank you, thank you for doing this.
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Okay, everybody knows about the Sea Turtle Hospital here.
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If you are a local, you know about it.
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You are also very proud of it.
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I think it is the pride of the entire Topsail area.
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Everyone loves what you are doing.
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We love that we are able to see the Sea Turtle releases.
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It is very exciting.
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The locals are on an actual wait list to become a volunteer.
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Is that right?
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Yeah, we have a brand new system, so I am hoping it will make it a little bit easier.
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We are just in the process of implementing the public side of it.
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We have been working on it with our volunteers for a while.
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I know that in the past people have had a hard time sometimes getting a hold of us if they want to volunteer.
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I am just asking you all to be patient.
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Be patient everybody.
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I love seeing the announcement on Facebook, in particular when you find a nest.
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I actually work with one of the volunteers that walks the mile on the beach before the sunrise and looks for those nests.
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It is so exciting.
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It is.
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The vacationers when they come here.
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I have seen posts from vacationers.
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Someone called it their bucket list item.
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They got to see when the nest hatched and all those little sea turtles went out to the ocean.
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I am like I haven't even gotten to do that yet.
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I have goals.
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It was a bucket list item for me too.
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Was it really I have?
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been lucky enough to see it a few times now.
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Every single time it feels like a new bucket list item.
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It is so amazing.
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These turtles have been doing these for thousands and thousands of years, just to see them scurry to the ocean.
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It really is a big deal for so many of us here in this area.
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We really appreciate what you do and what your team does and what the volunteers do.
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Can you explain a little bit about the mission of the Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Rescue for anyone that hasn't heard of you yet Or maybe they are thinking about relocating here or thinking about vacationing here and they don't know yet?
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Tell us just the nutshell version about what your organization does.
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Yes, The mission of the Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Center is to conserve and protect sea turtles.
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We do that through a variety of different programs and efforts.
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One is that beach program where we protect nesting females, their nests and the hatchlings.
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The second is through our sea turtle hospital.
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That is where we rescue, rehabilitate and release second-injured sea turtles from all over the state, primarily the southern half of North Carolina, but all over North Carolina and sometimes even turtles from outside the state.
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How do they get to you?
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Usually flown Really.
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There is a volunteer group called Turtles Fly 2 and they have started up to help when there are these huge stranding events in New England.
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They will help take turtles and transport them from New England out to other places, like us here in North Carolina.
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That is such a cool job.
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You guys have really cool jobs.
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You get paid to do the coolest things.
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I am so jealous.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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When I went by to do a sound check at your facility and you gave me a tour, which I loved.
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You mentioned three endangered sea turtle species that you see here on Topsaw Island.
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Am I right?
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There are three primarily that you see, or are there more?
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There are three that are primarily seen here in North Carolina.
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We have documented five in the state.
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The Hawksbill Turtle is very endangered.
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It has only been seen a few times.
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The Leatherback Turtle is very endangered and we usually see them offshore.
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Sometimes you can see them off the end of the pier.
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I have yet to see one here, one in your facility.
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There was one before I came, apparently, but it was just a hatchling, thankfully, because leatherbacks can get to be up to a ton and wait.
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Really, yeah, that would be pretty tough to handle.
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It's so amazing that The three most common species that we treat in our sea turtle hospital are the Longerhead Turtle, the Green Turtle and the Kemp's Ridley Turtle.
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Tell me about the type of injuries you see most often of these turtles that are coming into your facility.
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We see a lot of different injuries and illnesses faced by the turtles at Strand and come into our sea turtle hospital.
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Numerically the highest number come in due to a condition called cold stunning.
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That is a form of severe hypothermia that reptiles face In the case of the sea turtles.
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sea turtles are cold-blooded or ectothermic is the scientific word.
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Their temperature depends on the environment around them.
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If, as the water gets colder, they need to either migrate south to warmer waters or offshore to warmer waters.
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Offshore, yeah, they migrate toward the Gulf Stream, where the water is a lot warmer, gotcha, and some of them don't.
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We've got this great near shore habitat, all these wonderful estuaries and things like that, so they're like I don't want to leave.
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I can only imagine, Just like all of our wonderful guests in the summer Yes, a lot of vacation.
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We don't want to leave, not leaving.
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I'm moving here.
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Yeah, Exactly.
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We understand turtles.
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Yes, we do, yes, we do.
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Okay, so cold, stunning.
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That's the majority of your patients.
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Yeah, they come in, they basically get hypothermic shock.
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So the water gets colder and they go into severe hypothermic shock and They come ashore or they get blown ashore.
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They usually get blown ashore and it tends to kind of aggregate at two hot spots within the state.
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One is Cape Lookout and the other is up at Cape Hatteras.
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Okay, so a lot of our turtles in the wintertime come from that Cape Lookout area, okay, and sometimes they get dozens, sometimes they get hundreds of turtles.
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Really Yeah, so.
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Are there other facilities like this one along the coast of North Carolina?
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In North Carolina, so we're the only 100% dedicated to sea turtles as serving only as a sea turtle hospital.
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There is a sea turtle hospital associated with the North Carolina Aquarium at Roanoke Islands called the Star Center, and also the North Carolina Aquarium at Pineal Shores has a portion of their facility dedicated to sea turtle rehab.
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I didn't know that.
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Yeah, so the North Carolina Aquarium at Fort Fisher and in the big years the Aquarium at Fort Fisher, they'll accept some turtles for rehabilitation.
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That's cool.
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So really, when it's a big year, all of us step in.
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Just roll up your sleeves.
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We can't help.
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It's cold.
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Stunning human interaction.
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We see boat strikes.
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We see ingestion of hooks, so turtles will accidentally get hooked.
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We see entanglement.
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We see ingestion of plastic.
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We also see dredge turtles that come in because they were sucked in through a dredge.
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Really.
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Yeah, sometimes when the dredges are offshore, how damaging is that?
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It can be really damaging It's.
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They're basically sucked through.
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There are a lot of technical terms for it, i'm sure I imagine a dredge has a big vacuum cleaner.
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That's what it looks like.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They have protection, so they'll have grates over the end of the tubes and they have observers on board.
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So they really try to take precautions.
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The dredge turtles that we've gotten have been smaller, so somehow they fit between the grates.
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But when they come in they have two main issues.
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One, they're basically scoured by the sand as they're sucked along the tube, And the second is they're coming up really quickly from depth.
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So just like a diver a human diver you can't come up too quickly once you're diving at depth.
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So there are a lot of challenges with those turtles, Okay, But thankfully there aren't very many of those.
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We see a lot of boat strikes and those tend to be heartbreaking.
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I'm sure this is based on their injuries, but on an average, how long do the turtles stay with you before you release them back into the ocean?
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We'll have turtles that stay with us.
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Some turtles are really quick turnarounds.
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If a turtle just swallowed a hook but is otherwise healthy, they may stay with us for only a couple of days, Basically fast enough for us to do the blood-wrapped turtle.
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Those are the stealth releases.
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Exactly.
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Those are the stealth releases Listeners.
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So if it's a quick turnaround, you do go through great lengths to set up these turtle releases And it could be upwards of 1,500 people attending these things.
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But there's a lot that goes into those with the city and all of that.
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But if it's a quick turnaround, you will go into stealth mode and put these turtles back in the ocean.
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Good, Yes, Our goal is to do the right thing for the turtles as quickly as we can And of course we want to share with the public as much as possible.
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But I will say, on our last release we had two turtles that had been hooked and they had just stranded a few days prior.
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So we just added those turtles to the release.
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You had two recently.
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We had one in surf city two weeks ago and we had one in North Topsle Beach last week And we are hoping to schedule one in Topsle Beach, all in celebration of our 25th anniversary, which we are going to talk about What happens when one of the turtles cannot be released.
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The injuries are so severe.
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Perhaps Right?
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Sometimes we do have a turtle that can't be released.
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It tends to happen when they're healed but they're not going to be fit to go out to the wild.
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We've had two turtles that were suffering from a positive buoyancy disorder, so one we thankfully placed last year and the other we're looking for a home.
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So sometimes a turtle comes in and they have severe internal injuries or even illnesses a positive buoyancy disorder where they basically float and they can't dive.
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They can't dive for food.
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That's really common and sometimes it can be from traumatic injury, sometimes it can be from a variety of different illnesses And sometimes we really don't know what happens.
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But we do have one turtle right now.
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Her name is Snooki.
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She's stranded in New Jersey.
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She's a Jersey girl.
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The Marine Mailman Strading Center up in New Jersey had performed the rescue and stabilized her and she just needed an ongoing place to complete her rehabilitation.
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So we accepted her in 2016 and then, a little while later, it started to become obvious that she developed those buoyancy issues.
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And sometimes you don't see them right away.
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They develop over time as the turtle grows and we were able to get a CT on her to drive her to South Carolina to find a CT scan.
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Oh wow, Big enough for it.
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I did, but found that she had two fractured vertebrae at the top of her spinal cord and that was probably contributing to the buoyancy issue.
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So at that point our veterinarian, dr Craig Harms, did try some surgical procedures.
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Okay, I was going to ask, yeah.
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But it's difficult.
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It was difficult on Snooki.
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It helped it a little bit but it didn't actually correct the problem.
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So when a turtle is obviously not going to be able to dive, it wouldn't be fair to that turtle to release it.
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So there's a process Our veterinarian certifies that she's not releasable and then we start looking for a home for her.
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It could just be an aquarium.
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Is that what you're looking for?
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Yes, a zoo or an aquarium.
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We work with the state North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission.
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There are permitting agency.
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They have to prove everything.
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We also work with the US Fish and Wildlife Service and any zoo or aquarium that is accredited that has the facilities that meet the standards.
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We don't want to send her to a bathtub somewhere or somebody's backyard swimming pool then they can accept it and we won't go through a transfer process.
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So if anybody knows a zoo or an aquarium with a nice big 5,000 plus gallon pool that wants to take a beautiful 305 pound girl named Snooki, she's got some personality, you won't Snooki.
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It would be wonderful if we could find a home for Snooki It would be.
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That would be so great It would be.
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I saw on that tour as well the kitchen that you use to make the food for your turtles.
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Can you tell us a little bit about their diet?
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Yes, so we feed the turtles various types of protein, various types of fish.
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The normal fish that we give them are Kaplan, that's a five or six inch small fish, and we also will feed them Northern mackerel.
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They like that.
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We'll feed them shrimp sometimes and squid, but Kaplan and squid form the bulk of their diet.
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Okay, we are lucky enough to work with a wonderful bait dealer up in Moorhead City And they will deliver the fish to us.
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Oh cool.
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Cape Point Bait and shout out to them Really helpful, And we're grateful for anybody who's fishing and has extra fish that maybe they don't want to eat.
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They'll drop it off at the hospital.
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Love that Our founder, Jean Beasley.
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She's amazing And the very first turtle hospital.
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We're obviously in our 25th year.
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We're reflecting a lot on our history And we used to be located in a 900 square foot building at the south end of the island at Topsell Beach, And Jean used to fish off the end of the dock to catch fish for turtles.
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Really Yes Okay 900 square feet is not very large, no, so the facility that you're in now, how big is that?
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Our facility now is 13,000 square feet.
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That's a big jump.
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That's amazing.
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Yes, it is Okay.
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But for us back then, 900 square feet versus 24, somebody's backyard was great.
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How many volunteers do you have working for you right now?
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We?
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have approximately 500 volunteers.
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Wow, yes.
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Okay, it's a really big effort And you still have a wait list, and we still have a wait list.
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Oh my gosh, it's the turtles.
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I tell you, it's why I'm here, it's why everybody's here.
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And you had told me previously that 99% of the people that work with you or for you 99% plus are volunteers.
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Yes, that's amazing.
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We've been.
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we were founded by volunteers.
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We've been volunteer for most of our history And it's only now that we're basically growing and to the point where we're hiring a small dedicated professional staff that really our job is to supplement what the volunteers do and do well, you were doing that right now, actively sticking Yes, okay, and you also have some very lucky interns, as well as thinking about what a great place to intern.
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We are so lucky to have our interns, we've got this amazing summer intern program and we actually have an onsite house, so we're able to provide housing, which is a big bonus, especially in a town like here, because there's no way you'd be able to find an affordable summer rental.
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They come in from all over the country, sometimes even out of the country, and they form a team and they take over all of the turtle care from our regular volunteers for the 12 weeks that they're here and they do all the food prep, cleaning, husbandry, feeding cleaning, more cleaning, more cleaning.
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I did have a chance to chat briefly with a couple of girls that were there and she was excited that it didn't take long to ramp up.
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You get in there and you learn really fast and you get busy really fast, and she seemed very happy about that.
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Yeah, And they meet the challenge.
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They definitely meet the challenge.
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It's pretty great to see day one.
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They're like okay, what do you want me to do What with?
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the turtle, and then we trust them with a lot and we have a very selective process and a very competitive process.
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And how many do you have per summer 11.
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We're adding fall and spring internships so people can apply.
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It's a different experience because you're integrated with our regular volunteers.
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We also have a special arrangement with UNC Wilmington where in the fall and the spring semester we have Saturday interns who apply and it's a competitive internship for UNCW students, i bet, i bet And then also in the summer we have a junior internship.
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So this is a two week experience for high school students.
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That would be an amazing experience.
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It is one thing I'd like to get the word out more, because I'd love to see more people, both local and farther afield, but especially local to top school coming in.
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We have one student now who goes to top school high school.
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We have a lot of students that come in from the triangle area.
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We have students that come in from out of state, people who have relatives in the area that they can stay with for two weeks.
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When do you make the announcement that you're taking applications for the interns at the high school in?
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particular About December, december, december.
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So yeah, look on our website about.
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December at seeperlhospitalorg.